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jholzer
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: Lady bird deed – Legal doc for conveying property to heirs |
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| I have heard that lady bird deed can be used to avoid probate but not aware of the actual procedure for it. please help |
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colin
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jholzer,
Welcome to Mortgagefit forum.
Ladybird deed or Enhanced life estate deed can be used to avoid probate procedure.
Let me explain how it works.
Owner(s)/grantor(s) of the house make a deed and name his beneficiaries as grantee(s). With such a deed the person retains a life estate upon the property with the right to sell the said property any time he likes. By making the deed:- Ownership remains with the grantors,
- The grantors retains the right to revoke the deed at any time and
- If the property is not sold during the lifetime of the grantors, then it passes on to the named grantees without the need for a probate after the death of the last grantor.
Let me know if you have any other question about this type of deed.
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carnahandavid

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jholzer,
I have some information on why it is called "Ladybird Deed".
President Lyndon B. Johnson once used this deed to transfer property in his wife’s name, "Lady Bird" Johnson. Henceforth, this deed got recognized by her name.
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jholzer
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the information, so is there any difference between ladybird and a regular life estate deed? |
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blue

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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jholzer,
Welcome back.
In a regular life estate deed, the owner of the property retains a life estate and continues to use the property during his life time. But he cannot sell the property without the agreement & participation of the named beneficiary.
Whereas in Ladybird deed the owner retains his sole right of selling the property, giving it to any other person or change the title without requiring consent from the beneficiary.
Thanks
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Bill Slawski
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Another advantage of Ladybird deed is that the property is not subject to any liens that may arise against the named beneficiaries of the property.
It means that if there are judgment liens, tax liens or any other type of lien against the beneficiary, those liens will not get attached to the property.
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Caron
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: where ladybird deed is applicable |
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Florida, Texas, Ohio, California, Kansas are some of the states where ladybird deed is applicable. It acts an alternative option to traditional life estate deed.
However, the deed is not used in cases where a life estate can result in too much of capital gains taxation. In such cases, a living trust can be used. _________________ Mortgage Shopping made easy with booklet |
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drj
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Lady Bird Deed |
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| My mother is a widow and she is wondering if a Lady Bird Deed would protect her house from having to be sold to pay for a nursing home should she ever end up being in one. |
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adonis

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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Welcome Drj,
Your mother can protect her house being sold off by using the ladybird deed. This type of deed helps the grantor to retain ownership of property throughout his lifetime with the right to sell it whenever required. The grantee or the beneficiary can only sell the property after the grantor's death. _________________ Procrastination is the enemy of your financial sucess |
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Sammy
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: Lady Bird Deed Question -verses Quit Claim Deed |
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My father (widowed) is in a nursing home and is applying for medicaid. His only asset is his home. I was told that he needs a Lady Bird Deed to protect his home from being taken by medicaid for nursing home charges. My sister is trying to quit claim the deed with the following wording: Frank Trico, a single person, 1st party to, Carol Frank, a single person and not as tenant in common, reserving unto Grantor a life estate, without any liability for waste, second party whose post office is 8888 second st...Orlando, FL
Witnesseth, that the said first party, for and in consideration of Ten and No/100 dollars by second party, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowleded, has remised, released and quit-claimed, and by these presents does remise, release and quit-claim unto the said party of the second part all the right, title, interest, claim and demand which the said first party has in and to the following decribed lot, piece, or parcel of land , situate, lying and being in the County of........
To me this is a Quit Claim Deed and she is not following the Lady Bird rules.....please help. Thank you. |
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colin
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Sammy,
Welcome to Mortgagefit forum.
Your sister is making a quit claim deed with your father named as the grantor who will have a life estate meaning until his death he will have ownership rights but will not have the right to sell the home. While if a lady bird deed is used then he will retain his right to sell the home any time he wishes.
In your situation a quit claim deed will also serve the purpose of saving the home from being taken to pay for nursing home charges. The reason is that after home is quit claimed it will not remain his property and any claim cannot be placed against property which is not part of his assets.
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Ryan
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it seems to be a quitclaim deed with a life estate clause attached to it. It's not a ladybird deed. But I agree with Colin. A quitclaim can also serve your purpose here.
If the house is quitclaimed to you, it will prevent Medicaid from putting a lien on it for up to the full value of the assistance provided to your father. |
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Caron
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: RE: ladybird deed and medicaid |
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Hi Sammy,
I think a quitclaim deed won't be applicable here. This is because when you quitclaim/transfer property for less than fair market value, the grantor becomes ineligible for the Medicaid benefits for as long as 5 years after the date when the transfer took place. However, the time period for ineligibility of the Medicaid benefits may vary from state to state.
In my opinion, a ladybird deed or enhanced life estate deed will be helpful. Such a deed would allow your father to retain his property which can be exempted from Medicaid claims in his lifetime. Also, the heirs or the beneficiaries can get the property after the death of your father and the home will still be free of Medicaid claims and liens.
I shall suggest that you consult an attorney and ask him to draft a ladybird deed based on the trems and conditions that will be helpful for you to inherit the property free of medicaid claims.
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Alex
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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First of all, I would like to know about the state where you reside as the laws on Medicaid may vary from state to state.
I can inform you about laws in Florida. You can then check if the same laws apply in your state.
In Florida, a person applying for Medicaid benefits can protect his/her home from the creditors and lenders under the following circumstances.
- A spouse or dependent relative of the Medicaid applicant resides in the house.
- The applicant or his representative states on his/her behalf that he would return home after utilizing the Medicaid benefits.
If the above conditions are satisfied, the home will remain exempt from Medicaid claims throughout the life of the applicant. Also, it will not be subjected to such claims after the death of the applicant in spite of a surviving spouse or heir or a dependent (who depends on the applicant) staying at home.
However, if there is no spouse or dependent or a heir, then the property can be used to satisfy the Medicaid claims.
Hope this is helpful |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: lady bird deeds- texas |
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BE CAREFUL doing either lady bird deed or quitclaim deed- although, they protect you under medicaid estate recovery - they do not protect for transfer penalties!! which could result in years of private pay at the nursing facility before medicaid ever kicks in _________________ Need help choosing the right loan? Get free consultation from community lenders/consultant |
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